Julia Gorin lies and fabrications

Finally some of US soldiers stationed in Kosovo decided to speak and end Julia Gorin lies once for ever. On their blog called The Liberty Zone they analyze every single lie Julia written regarding situation on Kosovo. So they conclude:

It is difficult to say where Ms. Gorin is getting her erroneous information, or whether she’s simply using her rather fertile imagination as a substitute for checking facts. However, her claims of what, in essence, are NATO-run concentration camps are simply untrue.

And there are more misrepresentations and outright lies. Gorin quotes a 2000 Washington Post article in order to paint the Kosovo Liberation Army, or KLA, as a continuing influence in the region. She calls the KLA “violent, jihadist, narco-terrorist mafiosos” which “has continued arming itself in the event that the province isn’t granted independence this year.” The truth, according to those actually on the ground – those who know the truth – is quite different.

“[The] KLA is not alive and well. It no longer exists as a military organization,” says Multi-National Task Force (East) Chief of Staff, Col. Damon Igou. “However, there are legitimate government institutions that employ some of the former members of the KLA. The KPS (Kosovo Police Service), and an organization similar to our National Guard, the KPC (Kosovo Protection Corps). These organizations are multi-ethnic, professional and legitimate and employ many former members of the KLA that meet their rigorous standards.”

We are not politicians. We are Soldiers. We do our jobs to the best of our abilities, and we have kept the situation stable and secure in Kosovo on our watch. To claim otherwise … to twist the facts, publish outright lies and accuse our brave troops of turning their backs on genocide that is allegedly going on right under our noses is unforgivable and unacceptable, as well as outrageous and disrespectful to those who serve.

As for Soilder who did write letter to Julia Gorin here is real truth after some investigation:

The Battalion Commander of the Soldier in question had a conversation with the troop upon seeing this letter. According to the conversation account, the Soldier is currently in combat stress counseling - not because of anything he has encountered here, but because of problems back home. "I believe he's a good troop," writes the Battalion Commander, "but was manipulated by Gorin while he is under tremendous amount of stress due to personal tragedy at home." The Soldier also admitted he knew of no U.S. Soldiers killed in Kosovo on our rotation. He further conceded that he knew of no Serbs who were hurt in our area of operations, nor any that have been denied freedom of movement. He told his commander that he had not realized Ms. Gorin was going to "take everything he said seriously and 'word for word'."

UPDATE: Ms. Gorin is quite the liar. Her latest blog entry says the following:

I was just about to publish the third letter from an American soldier in Kosovo when the military command discovered his correspondences with me and now he’s in deep doo-doo because our government doesn’t want you to know what’s going on in Kosovo. But the following excerpt from said letter is relevant here:

If these people are ready for independence, how come they don’t clean up their streets, towns, and cities, and remove the trash that has been sitting on the curb for several weeks to several months (the smell is getting to me)?…A lot of us feel like the Albanians here don’t really care nor give a crap about this place by the way they treat their countryside. Trash, filth — driving out into sector is a plethora of pungent aromas from burning trash, sewage, and God only knows what else. I suppose that’s because they really don’t know if this land will be theirs or go back to Serbia, but still. It doesn’t look good for them to want independence yet do nothing to clean up their community. Granted they are still very poor and don’t have the services we’re used to at home, garbage disposal, a good public health department to ensure that the living conditions are up to par, it still doesn’t give them the reason to just say “screw it”.

Interesting. No one has said this Soldier was in any kind of trouble at all. Did they? Nope. He's getting help from a counselor for his personal issues, but nothing has been said about "deep doo-doo." Hmmmm. Oh yes, there are OPSEC violations in his letters, but as far as I know, talking with your Battalion Commander does not constitute "deep doo-doo." Here's your prime example of how this woman twists the facts to suit her own agenda. Nice, eh?

ADDED IN RETROSPECT: I have to laugh... this woman doesn't have the intestinal fortitude to admit her mistakes. She doesn't have the guts to reply to anything that is posted here or on Brad's blog. She simply fabricates stories and claims "government conspiracy" as an explanation for her lies.

Here's your tinfoil hat, Julia. You've earned it.

Read rest of articles HERE and HERE

Israeli or Kosovo garbage?

Julia Gorin is again shocked by amount of garbage in Tirana Albania in her latest post , but in her post she parallel Tirana garbage situation with some US soldier letter from Kosovo. Looks like both of them forget that Tirana is in Albania and Kosovo is soon to be independent state. But never the less garbage is garbage in any country, but how about Israeli garbage how do they dispose of it? Throw it on Arabs looks like, that must be Israeli great civilization and humanity which they want to show to world.

Only one comment Julia "First clean in front of your house, before you look at other houses"

Israel plans to dispose of garbage on Palestinian land in the West Bank, and a Palestinian official immediately denounced it Monday as violating international law, saying, "We are not a dumping ground."' It will ruin all our groundwater, and it will pollute the air we breathe,' said a resident on the proposed landfill Israel plans to use to dump trash. The dump is to be built in a Palestinian quarry between the Jewish settlement of Kedumim and the West Bank town of Nablus, said Adam Avidan, a spokesman for the military's civil administration. The site is already being used. On Monday, there were thousands of tires, plastic bags full of household trash and plastic beverage bottles mixed in with construction debris in the old quarry.

Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erekat said the plan violates international law. "We are not the dumping ground for Tel Aviv's garbage," he said, adding the Palestinians would complain to Mideast mediators and the World Health Organization. International law prohibits a state from using occupied territory unless it benefits the local population, experts say. Israel captured the West Bank from Jordan in the 1967 Middle East war.

The law means residents of occupied territories "are supposed to maintain the normal life they had as much as possible," said attorney Reuven Laster.

"If you're talking about trash from Israel and depositing it on the other side of the line, you're certainly reducing their quality of life, and you're doing it as an occupier," he said, and that "doesn't look good under international law."

Avidan said the landfill didn't violate international law because Palestinians would also be allowed to use it. It's not the first time Israel has exported its refuse to areas over its 1967 borders, but this dump is one of the biggest, if not the biggest, Avidan said. Four Palestinian villages stand within one to two miles from the landfill. On a hill about 500 yards away stand thousands of olive trees.

"It's scary what they're doing. It will ruin all our groundwater, and it will pollute the air we breathe," said Nasser Salman, from the nearby village of Kotzin. "They can't build a landfill near the olives and almonds we eat."

Avidan and Environment Ministry spokesman Sharon Achdut said those concerns were unwarranted, because the landfill is to be sealed and is to take only dry waste, and not household refuse that could pollute groundwater.

But an Israeli contractor authorized by the Kedumim council to operate at the site before the landfill was approved dumped household garbage and tires there over the past six months without sealing it first, Avidan said — a fact that calls into question the military's ability, or resolve, to keep environmental hazards out. The civil administration has issued orders to close the landfill until the Israeli contractor, D.S.H., removes the household waste it buried and seals the quarry floor, Avidan said.

D.S.H., the Kedumim Council, and Baron Park, the settler-owned company building the landfill, did not return calls seeking comment.

Janko "half-man" or full time chetnik?

Julia Gorin posted a letter from "half-man" Janko, who actually is full chetnik man. Your brave Janko admitted why he did left Croatia by himself and here is quote:

…By the way…I was in Borovo Selo, which is a Serbian village, when the whole thing started in Croatia.

BY THE WAY ????? By the way he killed 12 policeman there ??? By the way he mutilate their bodies ??? By the way Janko you are fucking war crime fugitive ... you can admit it to your self, and that is main reason why his family in Croatia don't want anything to do with Janko. Here is short introduction for readers what happened in Borovo Selo and why that event actually trigger the war on which orthodox Serbian was prepared with weapons from Yugoslavian army. So for sake of discussion ask Janko one question: WHO ATTACKED? DID CROAT ATTACKED SERBIA or SERBIA ATTACKED CROATIA ?

Learn the facts Janko and Julia even from this short movie


As it was explained in the previous chapter, the nationalistic Serbian policy, led by Slobodan Milosevic, created high tensions between Croats and Serbs in entire Croatia, but especially in Vukovar area, because Serbian nationalists planned to transform Vukovar into the capital of so called "Serb autonomous district Krajina". The center of Serbian rebellion in Vukovar area was in several villages near Vukovar.

One of these villages was Borovo Selo, situated to the northeast of the town. Here, on May 2nd 1991 two Croatian policemen were killed by Serbian rebels. Croatian government immediately sent a convoy of special police to Borovo Selo to disarm the rebels and restore order. The convoy was ambushed as it entered the village; 12 policemen were killed and 21 were wounded. When the Croatian police retreated, Serbian rebels mutilated the dead bodies of Croatian policemen with axes and knives.

Several ambulances from nearby towns came to Borovo Selo to help the wounded. Crews of a most ambulances carried out their duties professionally and took care of the wounded policemen. But the Serbian crews of some ambulances that came from Vukovar hospital started throwing hand grenades on wounded policemen. This was witnessed by Vesna Baumgartner and Marko Mandic, a Croatian ambulance crew that arrived to Borovo Selo shortly after the ambulances with Serbian crews. The following day Croatian Television aired the pictures of dead policemen, some with missing limbs, some with no ears, some with eyes dug out... The road to war was open...
After the massacre in Borovo Selo, the Croats in Vukovar realized how vulnerable they were. Intense fear was felt across the town. The people stopped visiting the surrounding countryside. Everybody stayed at homes. Even the Serbs from Borovo Selo stopped coming to Vukovar. The authorities in Vukovar realized that it was time to start preparing the town's defense.

The events in Borovo Selo and the fact that JNA placed itself on Serbian side showed the Croatian government that it was high time to create military units that would defend the newly formed country. By the end of the month the first units of Croatian National Guard were formed.

Or look on this video from Serbian B92 from where did attacks actualy came:



Then Janko said:

Those that remained live in Zagreb, but we don’t talk to each other, primarily because they consider themselves Croatians now and I can’t stand that coat-turning…and they probably think I am too radical or something, just for fighting for the rights of Serbs of Croatia.

What the fuck should they call themselves??? Serbian ??? What connection they have with Serbia ??? They are born, and their generations was born in Croatia, off course they are Croatians. Would Janko also call Julia Gorin "coat-turning" because she doesn't call herself Russian ... because she was born there? For fuck sake learn that country and religion is different things.

Than our shit-for-brains Julia Gorin jump to opportunity to bring again chetnik ideology and claim that Draza Mihaijlovic is good guy , hell USA give him Legion of Merit and USA cannot be wrong, yea we learned that with supporting Osama Bin Laden, Saddam Hussein and many others... Once for all learn facts Julia Gorin and facts are clear chetniks started war as communist partners and after 6 months they switched to Nazi's as I pointed you many times:

http://juliagorin.blogspot.com/search/label/chetnik

Kosovo: Serbian lies and deceptions

Julia Gorin on her latest blog posts try to use satirical quotes fro other comedians since she is clearly doesn't fit in comedian category, but using quotes like this:

So… it got me to thinking… There are a bunch of Kanadians (proof that this quote was written by Serb) who really like the island of Manhattan… we were thinking of coming down there en masse, breeding up huge families, setting our psycho and sociopaths loose on you, and then applying to the UN to start a new country… you figure it’ll work?

Is again deception for her readers, Albanians from Kosovo DIDN'T "come down" to Kosovo, they live on that land long before 7th century when Serbians came from Karpat mountains, and Kosovo is recognized in history autochthonous Ilyrian. For longer explanation you can look HERE

The Albanian language derives from the language of the Illyrians, the transition from Illyrian to Albanian apparently occurring between the 4th and 6th centuries AD. Ilyrian culture is believed to have evolved from the Stone Age and to have manifested itself in the territory of Albania toward the beginning of the Bronze Age, about 2000 BC. The Ilyrians were not a uniform body of people but a conglomeration of many tribes that inhabited the western part of the Balkans, from what is now Slovenia in the northwest to and including the region of Epirus, which extends about halfway down the mainland of modern Greece. In general, Ilyrians in the highlands of Albania were more isolated than those in the lowlands, and their culture evolved more slowly a distinction that persisted throughout Albania's history.

Kosovo was occupied during Balkan wars (1912-1913) in contradiction with the aspiration of the Albanians, expressed during their national liberation movement 1878-1912. In this manner Serbia, in spite of getting the “international legitimacy” for the occupation of Kosovo, in no way was able to justify the legitimacy of its act. In addition to this, Serbian possessive attitudes towards Kosovo which refer to history are unfounded.

Spain “had conquered all Latin America in the beginning of XVI century. Neither do “Russians ever mention their historic rights over Ukraine”. Historic arguments speak very clearly that “Serbs were placed in Kosovo with their expansion under the rule of Nemanjics’”.

That Kosovo was not part of Serbia can be proven by the following historical and political facts: Kosovo was not part of the independent sovereign state of Serbia with its international personality recognized in the Berlin Congress (1878); Kosovo was not part of Serbia in the Second AVNOJ Congress (1943); Kosovo was not part of Serbia during its establishment as a federal unit in the Anti-Fascist Popular Liberation Council (1944); Kosovo was not part of Serbia in the structure of Constitutional Assembly of Yugoslavia when the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia was founded (1945). Kosovo was not included in the sovereign Serbia, except in federal Serbia within federal Yugoslavia, during the military occupation of Kosovo (1945).

The future of Kosovo cannot be compared with secessions in some other parts of the world. The states that remain reserved towards Kosovo independence should be mindful of this fact. They should instead look and find the “common ground” between Kosovo and certain other countries of the world, which have agreed to the removal of sovereignty over other territories. In this regard, the relations between Kosovo and Serbia are comparable with the relations of Indonesia and East Timor. As it is well known, East Timor was occupied and annexed by Indonesia in 1975, contrary to the will of Portugal as the external sovereign, a fact which makes the annexation of Indonesia unlawful. In 1988 Indonesian government recognized the right to self-determination to the East Timor people. Singapore is another example that should be taken under consideration. This country was partitioned from Malaysia in 1965. The example of Eritrea is also meaningful for Kosovo. It was the Ethiopian government that recognized the right to self-determination to Eritrea in 1991. The case of Kosovo is also similar to the case of Namibia. Partition of Namibia from South Africa and its independence occurred in 1991.

At the end here is quote on which I can agree with Julia Gorin satiric comparison of Serbia and basketball:

I’ve read a bit of history and, for the past 10 years or so, I’ve thought that the world’s outrage against Serbia fits the “second foul syndrome” in basketball: Player A repeatedly holds, elbows, and fouls Player B, and gets away with it because the referee doesn’t see him fouling. Finally, Player B refuses to take it anymore, has his Donald Duck moment, and retaliates against Player A. Only problem is, the referee NOW sees Player B’s retaliatory foul, and calls a foul only on him.

But our Julia was in hurry and she forget to remind people that Player A actually is Serbia ...

Ahtisaari bribe allegations

Another lies have been published in Julia Gorin blog, and this time she is using "reliable" sources and made-up stories. Funny thing is that all, "reliable" sources came from Serbian side like Serbianna.com she even linked Defense & Foreign Affairs alleged confirmation but link is actually blog called SerbBlog.

In that accusation she mentioned report by By Valentine Spyroglou, GIS Station Chief, South-East Europe and that report came from Alan Peters Newsbrief Exclusive. By checking GIS info and contacting Pamela von Gruber, Director of GIS, by telephone in the US it is confirmed they don't have employee named Valentine Spyroglou, specially in South-East Europe.
By checking more we found that mysterious Spyroglou exist only on Serbian blog's where he is mentioned as source for some questionable reports, but he is regular writer to late war crime accused Slobodan Milosevic website. So this obvious lie is lowest kind of Serbian propaganda machinery. Second lie is actual reporter Alan Peters from Newsbrief Exclusive who also as Valentine Spyroglou is mysterious person, he doesn't exist in any news agency which can be found on Internet, again he only exist on some Serbian blogs like SerbBlog.

Julia Gorin is making another lie which is quite funny she claim:

The Finnish News Agency, STT, published on June 26 and June 27, 2007, two articles stating that the UN Special Envoy for Kosovo was “bought” by the Albanian mafia in order to support independence for Kosovo.

But actually Finnish News Agency, STT published story as "Serbia's Dulic calls for inquiry in Ahtisaari bribe allegations", and agency made clear from who allegations came in first place.

Republican Rape

Unsure how to judge the Bush administration? Read former U.S. Rep. Bob Barr's book on the Clinton administration. Barr is convinced that Clinton did great damage to the country and its security.

However, to anyone who has paid attention to the lies and deception used by the Bush administration to take us to war against Iraq, and to Attorney General John Ashcroft's war against our civil liberties, Clinton's reign seems innocuous.

By helping us revisit Clinton's transgressions, Barr unintentionally enables us to judge the deterioration in Oval Office behavior under Bush. Lying about a sexual affair is just not on the same scale as lying about war. The petty penny ante real estate deal known as Whitewater pales into insignificance compared to the multi-billion dollar fraud of the Iraqi reconstruction contracts.

Republicans should have noted that President John F. Kennedy remains a political icon, although he certainly out-womanized Clinton. The notion of powerful men as womanizers and sexual predators is suspect on its face. The desire for top bragging rights that come from sleeping with powerful men makes women equally responsible. Some years ago a female journalist at the Washington Times told the story of being at a gathering of women journalists during the Kennedy administration. In walked a beaming blond newswoman, who proudly announced, "I've just come from the bed of the president!"

Barr believes that truth matters. If he is correct, George W. Bush is in for a hard time. As for Julia Gorin allegations about Bill Clinton's raping people I won't comment much I will let American people to judge who is raping America from this picture.

Al-Qaeda on Kosovo

A shameful article written by Julia Gorin on American Thinker is accusing Kosovo Albanians as part of Al-Qaeda organization on Kosovo. Without any proof Julia Gorin try to hide real truth that Kosovar's was oppressed by Serbian government and she even try to hide war crimes under some "holy war" against Kosovo Muslims. But truth is opposite, there is no Al-Qaeda on Kosovo only in mind of Serbian propaganda machine which will do anything to grab land which doesn't belong to them historically in any way. Here is some of brave Serbian "holy war" victim's:

A few months old baby was found covered with a blanket in Abri e Epërme Village of Drenica. The baby was one of the members of the Delijaj family that was killed. The Serbian authorities claimed that only terrorists were killed. Does the above victim look like a Al-Qaeda terrorist?








Even this image look like scenes from horror movies it is actual images of Serbian war crimes on Kosovo Albanians.

Below you can find pictures of civilians killed by the serbian troops in 1998 only. Since they are very disturbing, we do not recommend viewing them if you are under 18 and / or sensitive.

Massacre in Rogove Village. January 1999.

Massacre in Reçak, Nerodime. January 1999

Massacre in Abri e Epërme, Drenicë. October, 1998.

Massacre in Lybeniq, Drenicë. Summer, 1998.

Massacre in Prekaz, Drenicë. February, 1998.

You can find additional information on the "Human Rights Watch" page, links listed below:

http://www.hrw.org/hrw/press98/dec/kos1211.htm
http://www.hrw.org/reports98/kosovo2/
http://www.hrw.org/hrw/campaigns/kosovo98/photo_2.htm
http://www.hrw.org/hrw/campaigns/kosovo98/index.htm

Julia Gorin is a poor journalist

The Serbian Unity Congress (SUC) is the largest Serb- nationalist organization in the United States. Based in the San Francisco Bay Area, it is devoted to political lobbying on behalf of the regimes in Belgrade and Pale. The SUC is both a membership organization made up of individuals and an umbrella organization linking a number of Serb-nationalist groups. It represents the interests of Serbian political leaders by:

• lobbying as a political action committee;
• sponsoring a disinformation campaign which targets the media, university campuses and research centers;
• engaging public relations firms to lobby on behalf of the Serbian leadership in Pale and ensure representation during congressional committee hearings;
• purchasing the services and support of journalists and speakers.

A frequent tactic of the Serbian lobby is to begin public debates by arguing that critically-minded people should recognize the existence of political interests behind the production of information and thus should be aware that 'truth' and 'objectivity' lie 'somewhere in the middle.' (Sound familiar Julia?)

By reducing real events to personal interpretations the Serbian lobby has managed to camouflage the actual aggression and the commission of genocide behind supposed 'opinions' which can be neither 'verified' nor 'denied.' Their aim is clearly to present the conflict in the Former Yugoslavia as a civil war rooted in ancient hatreds in order to discourage public opinion from supporting direct U.S. military intervention. To these ends the SUC, Serbnet, SAVA etc. have developed a well organized system of producing propaganda and seemingly credible references.

The Serbian propaganda campaign employs methods similar to Holocaust denial and revisionism Their first line of action is to create an atmosphere of relativism, as discussed above. The seccession of Slovenia and Croatia from the former Yugoslavia and their recognition by Germany is equated with the bombardment of civilian centers such as Sarajevo, Dubrovnik and Vukovar.

The second line of action is then to deny the totality of the destruction in order to downplay the purpose and systematic nature of the aggression. Dubrovnik was barely attacked, they argue. Vukovar was destroyed by Croatian forces...

There is no evidence of a systematic rape policy -- where is the commander who gave the order, they argue? Personal testimonies and eye witness accounts are discarded as 'inadequate evidence.' The third line of action is then to create their own 'facts' and 'references' and it is here where they have been most successful. (again Julia's methods...)

The organized Jewish community has been particularly critical of the Serbian regime and the violence inflicted on the Bosnian people. However, there is a clear counter- offensive being launched by the SUC and Serbnet to co-opt Jewish public opinion. This involves a propaganda campaign which recalls the role of the Ustashe and certain Muslim contingents who supported by the Mufti of Jerusalem during the Second World War.

Their main attack is in the form of articles written by Alfred Lipson, a leader of the community of Holocaust survivors and Sir Alfred Sherman . Through the Serbian Jewish Friendship Society and direct meetings with Jewish organizations, the SUC has conducted an energetic campaign to win over Jewish and Israeli support.

This has included efforts to overturn the position adopted by the National Organization of Jewish Community Relation Councils (NJCRAC), which endorsed a call for air strikes and the lifting of the arms embargo against the Bosnian Government. According to Bosnian and Jewish sources, the Serbian lobby is also engaged in a broader campaign which has targeted the Israeli Foreign Ministry in Jerusalem.

Qoute from another blog:

In addition to James “Ace” Lyons, Jr., and Doug Bandow, the Advisory Board of the American Council for Kosovo includes Ambassador James Bissett, Andrew G. Bostom, Thomas Gambill, Julia Gorin, William J. Murray, the Rev. Canon Keith Roderick, Wanda Schindley, Sir Alfred Sherman, and Robert Spencer. (The community of journalists should investigate whether these advisory board members are paid by the lobby for their publications on its behalf.)

So when we see this explanations I ask again: HOW MUCH ARE THE PAYING YOU JULIA GORIN for cut-and-paste?

Response to Julia Gorin

Article by Patrick Poole on American Thinker

Julia Gorin's hate-shtick is getting old. In fact, it was never funny to begin with, which lends itself to the proposition that professional stand-up comedians (such as Ms. Gorin) shouldn't engage in substantive public policy debates. Gorin's article would otherwise be masterful parody, except she's trying to be serious. Or maybe she's trying out her best Slobodan Milosevic impersonation?

In recent months she has penned a number of articles telling us all how she really, really hates Albanians. Why? Because they're Albanians, and you are supposed to really, really hate Albanians if you are truly opposed to Islamic radicalism! And haven't you heard of the Albanian mafia? They are really, really bad people (apparently unlike those fun-loving Russian mafia types). And the hundred thousand American flag-waving Albanians who greeted President Bush in the Albanian capital last month were all part of Osama bin Laden's sinister plot to fool the West, we are informed. But don't think for a minute that Julia Gorin was fooled - she saw right through their deceptive little "We love America" game!

In her most recent missive here at The American Thinker, she directs her venom at yours truly because I have had the audacity to challenge Ms. Gorin's circular wisdom and loose grip on reality based on the fact that I've actually lived and worked in Albania, I have actually been to Kosova, and I personally know many people in both the Albanian and Kosovar governments. Thus, I have a slight clue regarding what I'm talking about. She also assails Ray Robinson for getting it wrong on this issue as well, even though he served in Kosova with the 101st Airbourne as part of KFOR, and also has first-hand knowledge whereof he speaks. As for Ms. Gorin's personal experience in Albania and Kosova, or anywhere in the Balkans for that matter?
[insert sound of crickets chirping]

But she says quite plainly that my experience and Mr. Robinson's military service should DISQUALIFY us from having anything to say on the subject:

If that's the case, Poole should responsibly recuse himself from the discussion, as he admits to being incapable of impartiality and objectivity on this issue. Both he and Robison are too close to the situation, their regard for a people clouding their vision and causing them to work backwards from a preferred and stale premise rather than follow the information.

Yes, let's leave the real discussion to the weighty thinkers who cut-and-paste from the latest Serbian government press releases and websites, and tell those who are "too close to the situation" to sit this one out. I can't make this stuff up, folks!

As I've said here before, reasonable people can disagree over the issue of Kosovar independence (at least one would hope so). Some of my esteemed colleagues, such as Robert Spencer of JihadWatch, disagree with me. Fair enough. But it is near-impossible to countenance a civil discussion with Ms. Gorin when she is so clearly unbalanced by her rage - a rage that has no basis in facts, reality or personal experience. The best she can do is channel someone else's rage and parrot other people's points. She has absolutely nothing to add to this conversation, no matter how much material she can cut-and-paste into an article. This isn't debate or informed discussion; it's demagoguery.

This reminds me of a famous quip by Sir Winston Churchill: "An extremist is someone who won't change their mind and won't change the subject." It's long past time to change the subject, Julia.

How much chetniks are paying to Julia Gorin?

Obviously Julia Gorin want to show the world from where she is been payed. Now even 2 year old child could see that chetniks are paying her with large amount of money, but that is fine by me I won't hear screams from grave of their victims. On her latest post she is glorifying chetnik movement so I wont try to comment much simply to answer as usually with image and facts:

Mihailovich's commanders with the invader (from left to tight): 1) Colonel Lučić , 2) Major Dongić, formerly of the Yugoslav Army, Četnik commander, cooperator with the Germans and Nedić's men, 3) Ilija Trifunović-Birčanin, Mihailovć's commander for Dalmatia, 4) Milorad Ljanovski, 5) Daka Tešanović, Četnik commander, and 6) Lieutenant Ignjatović.
A German officer is shown by a cross.
Credit: United States Holocaust Memorial Museum courtesy of Muzej Revolucije Narodnosti Jugoslavije
Copyright: Public Domain
Subject Classification: Invasion & Occupation -- Yugoslavia -- General -- Nazi Collaborators

Lie: Last fall Mihailovich kept as many as seven Nazi divisions chasing him through his Sumadija mountains.

A group of Chetniks pose with German soldiers in an unidentified village in Serbia.

Locale: [Serbia] Yugoslavia;
Credit: United States Holocaust Memorial Museum courtesy of Muzej Revolucije naroda i narodnosti Jugoslavije

LIE: Mihailovich’s swarming raiders have preserved an “Island of Freedom”, which for a time was 20,000 square miles in area, with a population of 4,000,000.

FACT: ibidem,p.232,footnote 179; BA/MA, RH 24-15/2 Bfh. d. dt. Tr. i. Kroat.,Ia-Lagebeurteilung fuer die Zeit vom 1.3.-15.3.43 (16.3.43.)

“In the future,ammunition will be handed out only to those Chetnik units who under German command fight the Partisans.”

Lie: Mihailovich’s annihilation of Axis detachments, bombing of roads and bridges, breaking of communications and stealing of ammunition have been so widespread that the Nazis had to declare a new state of war in their “conquered” territory

FACT: Following lines were written by Edmund Glaise von Horstenau in his diary:

Quote:

“The units that could really be used against the partisans were the Serbian and partly the Russian volunteers and-Draza Mihailovic’s people.My liason officer with them was a certain major,Ritterkreuztraeger.”

>written on situation in Serbia during his visit to Belgrade in June 1944.<

LIE: Mihailovich’s example has kept all Yugoslavia in a wild anti-Axis ferment. The Axis has resorted to executing untold thousands, but the revolt continues. Last month the Nazis said they had seized Mihailo-vich’s wife, two sons and daughter, threatened to execute all relatives of Mihailovich’s army and 16,000 hostages if the General did not surrender within five days.

Fact:

“Chetniks (…) our natural allies. Only they are fighting! “Kroatische Kampfgemeinschaft” exists only on paper.”

ibidem,p.378; BA/MA, RH 19 XI/29 OKW/WfSt, Gruppe Ic/Ao Vortragsnotiz fuer Aussenchefbeschprechung am 25.7.1944 (23.7.1944)

LIE: Last October the Nazis even asked for peace.

FACT:

“DM has repeatedly tried to make contact with us” >”…mit uns ins Gespraech zu kommen.”<

ibidem,p.488; BA/MA, RW 40/86 Militaerbefehlshaber Suedost, Abt. Ia, Lagebericht fuer die Zeit vom 16.2-15.3.1944 (25.3.1944)

A lot more: Here, Here, Here and Here

Serbian lie about 500 US Airman

Even we pointed to notorious lie that chetniks under leadership of Draza Mihailovic did save 500 airman Julia Gorin is again using same story to somehow try to give nicer picture to her Serbian employees. Julia once for all chetniks didn't save anyone during the WW2 ! You lied to American Veterans and you need to explain yourself to them ! That is real purpose of your latest blog post.
And your source is really nice, it is man who is paid to yell on every serbian gathering :

"I love the Serbs," said Jibilian, 75, a retired industrial safety director.

But even he changed after he did see all crimes what serbs did, his latest comment is:

"But right is right and wrong is wrong. And as much as I love the Serbs," said Jibilian, "what they're doing now," in driving Albanians from their homes,"is wrong."

I proved you that Nik Lalich and US Army Lt. Col. Robert H. McDowell was part of US spy mission. On this picture you can see US Army Lt. Col. Robert H. McDowell, Draza Mihailovic and group of ustashas. This picture is from Belgrade museum of WW2 so denying it is is foolish.



But on the other side let me point you to another story... which I know you wont publish on your blog because it is story about Croatia and WW2.

The Airmen and the Baroness

Learning the realities of the fate of American airmen in Croatia during World War II proved even more interesting than uncovering the source of the mythology. Between the years of 1973 and 1979, this author undertook primary and secondary research into the subject which resulted in a monograph titled Allied Prisoners of War in Croatia 1941-1945. Since there were fewer than one hundred airmen, American, British, Russian, South African, and Partisan, who were held by the Croatian government during the War, the myth that "dozens" or twenty-five percent, were executed is a significant one.

As a part of the study, ten Americans who had been held prisoner-of-war in Croatia were interviewed as were guards, the American-born priest who celebrated mass and others who were present at the estate of the Baroness Nikolic which served as the POW "camp" on the outskirts of Zagreb. The findings of this study were surprising. It was learned that the "camp" at 203 Pantovcak in Zagreb had no fence. Visitors were welcome and some POWs visited a nearby tavern until German soldiers visited the same tavern. POWs had a radio and listened to U.S. Armed Forces radio. And the camp tennis champion was Frank Ryan of Sommerville, New Jersey.

Picture: Baroness Nikolic, Fr. Benkovic, holding an American airman's hat, the camp commander, in great coat and American, British and South African POWs at the Nikolic "camp" in Zagreb

Essentially the Baroness Nikolic considered the airmen her guests and afforded them the best treatment and food available given the wartime conditions, including a generous wine ration. Several POWs worked in the villa's vineyards and records were kept of all such work so that the POWs could be paid after the war as provided for by Geneva Conventions. Given the chaotic state at the end of the war, the airmen were given vouchers instead of cash. One former POW, a guest of honor at a Los Angeles Croatian Day celebration in 1979, still had his voucher and promised to cash it in when Croatia became independent.

Often the Croatian Red Cross provided the airmen with such luxuries as chocolate and cigarettes that were unavailable to the average Croatian soldier. While wounded or ill Croatian soldiers could expect little more than meager supplies in field first aid stations, American POWs were treated at Zagreb's finest hospital and there is photographic evidence of visits to them by Croatian Chief-of-State Pavelic and other officials.

Picture: Four Croatian guards, one visiting Croatian civilian and American POWs at the Nikolic "camp" in Zagreb

Americans Helping Croatians

In early 1945 an attempt was made to evacuate American pilots from what was soon to be a war zone. Croatian Air Force General Rubcic saw to it that twelve American pilots were trained in the use of Croatian aircraft, planes which represented the last hope for the air defense of Croatia's capital. After familiarization, fourteen Americans and one Croatian liaison officer flew to Allied Italy via Zadar where they tried to convince American forces to land on the Dalmatian coast and meet the Red Army at the Drina river. In 1943 Croatian Lt. Colonel Ivan Babic had flown a similar mission to American occupied Italy to suggest to the Americans that such an invasion would meet no resistance and that the Croatian Army would even establish a beachhead for them. The American command knew that the Dalmatian coast was Hitler's great weakness and that such an attack could split the German armies. Neither the Croatian nor American commanders knew that Yugoslavia had been designated as the Soviet sphere by Roosevelt, Churchill and Stalin. Allied forces continued to fight and die one foot at a time up the boot of Italy.

Still other Americans offered their services to the Croatians in order to try to save Croatian troops from the communists. Lt. Edward J. Benkoski, pilot of the P-38 fighter "Butch," joined Englishman Rodney Woods and John Gray, a Scot, in attempting to negotiate for the Croatians in May 1945. Another American officer accompanied Croatian officials to negotiations at Bleiburg, Austria at the end of the war to keep Croatians from being returned to certain death in Yugoslavia. They failed.

The American priest Theodore Benkovic who often celebrated mass for the airmen wrote:

Despite constant American bombings, the Croatians bore no hatred toward the Americans, for in a fatalistic way they held it to be necessary. I saw my countrymen held captive in Mostar, how the people treated them well, even offering the American flyers the few cigarettes they possessed; how they begged me to make known to my countrymen of their hope of liberation by the Americans.

None of the airmen interviewed or surveyed recalled any instance of mistreatment and some provided documentary and photographic evidence of very close personal relationships with Croatian officers and female members of the Croatian Red Cross. The study failed to find the name of any Allied POW who was executed and found no "official policy" of executing airmen. Several airmen did recall that they were warned in pre-flight briefings that they would be executed if captured by the Croatians.

That information was supplied by Mihailovic' s Serbian Cetniks who were paid in gold for each airman returned to the Allies.

In January 1966 the Baroness Nikolic visited the United States to attend a showing of her artworks. Several of her former "prisoners" welcomed her to Cleveland. One, Gene Keck of Washta, Iowa travelled nine hundred miles by bus to see her again. "She's my second mother...I was her baby when we were on her estate in Zagreb." Often the mythology is diametrically opposite of the truth.

Here’s Why Israel Keeps Getting Bombed

A poll of attitudes among Israel's Jews towards their country's Arab citizens has exposed widespread racism, with large numbers favouring segregation and policies to encourage Arabs to leave the country. The poll found that more than two-thirds of Jews would refuse to live in the same building as an Arab. Nearly half would not allow an Arab in their home and 41% want segregation of entertainment facilities.

The survey also found 40% of Israel's Jews believe "the state needs to support the emigration of Arab citizens", a policy advocated by some far-right parties in the run-up to general election. The poll was conducted by a respected Israeli organisation, Geocartographia, for the Centre for the Struggle Against Racism, founded by Arab-Israeli academics.

"Racism is becoming mainstream," said the centre's director, Bachar Ouda. "When people talk about transfer [removal] or about Arabs as a demographic timebomb no one raises their voice against such statements.

"This is a worrisome phenomenon. The time has arrived for the Jewish population, who experienced what racism is on its flesh, to wake up and change its way."

Among the poll's other findings was that 63% of Jewish Israelis consider their country's Arab citizens a "security and demographic threat to the state". Some 18% said they felt hatred when they heard someone speaking Arabic, and 34% agreed with the statement that "Arab culture is inferior to Israeli culture" (maybe they Israeli people will start to call them self Aryan race) . An Arab-Israeli member of parliament, Taleb el-Sana, said he was not surprised by the findings.

"This shows we're not talking about a few people, but rather, a worrying phenomenon that places question marks over the Zionist movement," he said.

Mr Sana said polls that show anti-Semitism in other countries are greeted in Israel with a frenzy of denunciations.

"Yet when it happens at their home, they're quiet, and that's why this is a two-fold failure - they are racist, and they're also not attempting to address their own racism," he said.

Some Israelis have explained hostile attitudes toward Arabs not as racism (yea, sure in WW2 they call it genocide) but as stemming from years of conflict and religious differences. But Ahmed Tibi, another Arab member of parliament, said Israeli politics fuels racism (tyipical example is Julia Gorin). Maybe Julia is proposing that "All Muslims around the world have to wear the "Green half moon" visibly on their clothes."

"Overall, it pays to be racist in Israel because you don't pay a price for it and you can always explain it away by a security need and a self-defence mechanism," he said. "Racists have a long time ago moved from the street to government benches."

Julia Gorin say: All European are Nazi's !

Looks like Julia Gorin is fealing happy she finally found someone fat as her in reunited Spice Girl... But that doesnt stop her to publish lies again and again. In her latest posts she is stunned by finding that Croatia have anti-Fascists, wooow what a shock ! You can all guess here fealings when she realize where was Serbs during WW2. But lets analyze what she discovered this time:

What a curious thing that I never got any complaints about my writings from this group. And please — don’t hurt these Croatians; they are an endangered species!

Umm could it be that honest people don't want to have anything with chetnik writer? Or maybe you are avoiding answering truth and pick only fabrications and well paid articles. Maybe if you put price list on blog they will gather money so that you actually once in your life write truth !

Croatia did get to sit at the victors’ table as if they were Hitler’s victims too, along with the rest.

Dear Julia Croatia didnt get to sit , Croatia earned that seat!

Both Croatia and Serbia had pro-Axis governments during World War II. All of the nations of Yugoslavia had elements which supported the Axis and all had elements that were anti-Axis during the War. However, it was the Croatian dominated Partisans, led by the Croatian Josip Broz Tito which formed the only true anti-Fascist fighting force in Yugoslavia and the most formidable Allied force in occupied Europe during World War II

While the majority of the Croatian people favored an independent Croatian state, many did not support the Ustase regime. 'When the war broke out there were fewer than twelve thousand members of the movement representing less than one per cent of the Croatian population. At its height in 1942, there were only sixty thousand Ustase. Over sixty per cent were from impoverished Western Herzegovina with a strong anti-Serbian sentiment from the dictatorship of Alexander. Some twenty per cent were Muslims who joined in direct response to Serbian massacres in Bosnia. The leader of Croatia's popular Peasant Party was jailed by the regime during the War.

Many members of the Croatian officer corps were pro-Allied and supported the Croatian Peasant Party. In September 1944 pro-Allied officers attempted a coup against Pavelic. The plotters had been promised an Anglo-American landing in Dalmatia and would have turned the Croatian Army against Germany to support the Allied invasion. The landing never took place. Dr. Ivan Subasic of the Yugoslav Government-in-Exile learned of the plot and informed the Soviets. Stalin immediately contacted Roosevelt and informed him that any such, action would be a violation of the Tehran agreement dividing Europe into spheres of influence. Roosevelt canceled all plans for the landing but British secret channels withheld the information from the Croatians on the premise that any revolt, even one doomed to failure, was better for the Allied cause than nothing.

The Partisans, founded by Josip Broz Tito, a Croatian Communist, represented the only true resistance to the Axis in Yugoslavia during World War II. Hundreds of thousands of Croatians joined the Partisans and thirty-nine of the Partisan's eighty brigades were Croatian. On June 22, 1941 Croatian Partisans began what would come to be known as the War of Liberation in Yugoslavia.

On July 13, 1943 a Democratic Republic of Croatia under the leadership of Andrija Hebrang was declared in those areas occupied by the Croatian Partisan forces. As the war progressed more and more Croatians, especially from Dalmatia, joined the Partisans.

Serbs joined in great numbers late in the War as entire Cetnik units changed their allegiance. By 1943 Allied support shifted to Tito and by 1944 the Partisans were the only recognized Allied force fighting in Yugoslavia. The complexities of World War II saw Croatian fighting Croatian, Serb fighting Serb, and both fighting each other as well as German, Italian, Hungarian and Bulgarian forces.

Both Serbia and Croatia, like Finland, Hungary, France and virtually every other nation in Europe, were occupied by the Axis and had governments which collaborated with the Axis. Both Croatia and Serbia also had Partisan governments fighting for the Allies. A half century later Germany and Japan were again great world powers and Italy was a full partner in the European community while Croatia, having been occupied by Germany and Italy, continued to be tarred with the brush of Fascism by Belgrade's mythology.

So Julia calling Croatia Nazi state is same as calling Finland, Hungary, France and virtually every other nation in Europe the Nazi state.

As for your comment :

But apparently, as long as Croatians are saying “Za dom” instead of “Zeig Heil” while doing the Hitler salute, it’s OK.

Thompson became popular with their 1991 hit song "Bojna - Čavoglave", which was released during the Croatian War of Independence; a time when Croats were pitted against Serbs who opposed Croatia's Declaration of Independence from Yugoslavia. The song depicts a battle involving a battalion of Croat soldiers from Cavoglave, a village in the Dalmatian hinterland (and the birthplace of Marko Perkovic). The song includes the "za dom - spremni!" slogan which was used by the World War II-era Ustaše.

However the term did not originate as a fascist slogan; it has been used by Croats for centuries after it was used to salute Josip Jelacic,ban of Croatia - Za dom! -Spremni umrijeti!(For homeland! -Ready to die!).! So it isn't "Zig Heil" as you suggested !

And at the end :

Which still doesn’t explain why he sings about WWII death camps so happily.

Can you once in your life ask your serbian employees to show you that footage ? Ohh wait, they can't because it doesn't exist !

As for rest you can again read, hear and watch : Marko Perkovic - Thompson, true story about concert

Julia Gorin lies to US veterans

In her latest post on her blog Julia Gorin write an article to American Legion Magazine, the publication of America’s largest veterans organization. It is her right to write such article but isn't right to lie to proud people who defended USA and other nations. In her article she again put lie about chetnik's role in WW2 like they were on US side. Well placed lie about saving numerous US airman's by Draza Mihajlovic is simple fruit of her imagination. She even dare to advertise it by saying to her readers "FYI: Draza Mihailovic is mentioned." so they take special attention to that part of lie.

Well Julia Gorin your employees again did give you false informations and you are cauth in another lie, but I believe you don't even know difference between lies and truth, you will simply write what ever higher bidder wants. Here is explanation:

Photograph taken at Dvori near Bjeljina, September 28 1944;

1) Draža Mihailovich,
2) US Army Colonel Robert H. McDowell,
3) Mustafa Mulalić and a group of Ustashas
Source: Web Archive - The Trial Of Dragoljub Draza Mihailovic - 1946


In the Ranger mission US Army Lt. Col. Robert H. McDowell "with the help of Lieutenant Nick Lalich" (NIKOLA LALIC, an American of Serbian heritage), gathered intelligence on Nazi troop movements and wrote a report on Draza's Chetniks movement. McDowell wrote that he "never saw any type of collaboration between Mihailovich and the Germans" and "did notice however how much Draza hated them." All I will comment is "Picture speak thousand words".



Serb-American Lieutenant Nick Lalich "( NIKOLA LALIC, an American of Serbian heritage)", with Draza Mihailovich. Photograph taken in September 1944 when Lalich "helped US Army Lt. Col. Robert H. McDowell"


Following lines were written by Edmund Glaise von Horstenau in his diary:

“The units that could really be used against the partisans were the Serbian and partly the Russian volunteers and-Draza Mihailovic’s people.My liason officer with them was a certain major,Ritterkreuztraeger.”

written on situation in Serbia during his visit to Belgrade in June 1944.

ibidem,p.187; BA/MA, RH 26-118/32 Befehl and die Cetnikfuehrer Cvijetin Todic,Golub Mitrovic,Savo Derikonja,Radivoj Kosoric,Bozo Plemic und Dusan Kovacevic (12.1.43).

“Partly,the Serbs have futhermore showed themselves as the most reliable allies in fighting against the red bands,that is against communism.They are always ready to fight against the bandits with the German Wehrmacht and even to place themselves under it’s command”

ibidem,p.307;BA/MA, RH 24-15/10 SS-Freiw.-Div. “Prinz Eugen” an Gen.Kdo. XV.Geb.AK. (5.9.1943).

ibidem,p.232,footnote 179; BA/MA, RH 24-15/2 Bfh. d. dt. Tr. i. Kroat.,Ia-Lagebeurteilung fuer die Zeit vom 1.3.-15.3.43 (16.3.43.)

“In the future,ammunition will be handed out only to those Chetnik units who under German command fight the Partisans.”

Lets stop Peace?

Again Julia Gorin use well known method to trick readers and use quotes from other sites to fire up war in Bosnia, Kosovo and Croatia. While others are simply looking at future and try to help their friends, Julia thinks it is better to lie, deceive and avoid calling things as they are. In her latest post on Political Mavens she use partial translations and avoid telling the truth. She translate post from Rijaset of Bosnia and Herzegovina :

The Bosnian-Palestinian Friendship Society just formed in Sarajevo. Bosnian mufti Mustafa Ceric [who last year was hosted by an Atlanta synagogue for one of those interfaith dialogue routines] called for an end in killing between Hamas and Fatah.

But avoid translation of true nature of that post:

Preko palestinskog ambasadora reisu-l-ulema dr. Cerić uputio je poruku pripadnicima Fataha i Hamasa da, u ime djece, mira i sreće prekinu međusobne sukobe.

In translation: Over Palestinian ambassador reisu-l-ulema dr. Cerić address the note to members of Fatah and Hamas so that, in the name of children, piece and happiness stop all their conflicts.

Later on Julia again try to use common tactics who can be described as " When you repeat lie 100 times it will become truth" in some imaginary Serbian-Jewish friendship so she quote:

The “friendship” in the name of the society is no accident, she says: Serbs and Jews have had a long-standing and friendly relationship, and in Belgrade, where the largest Jewish community was, Jews enjoyed cordial relations with non-Jewish Serbs.

“(Former Yugoslav dictator Marshall) Tito had not taken a favorable view of Israel,” she says. “He sided with the Arabs, and a lot of the Serbian people didn’t go along with that. The Serbian people never had ill feelings for Israel.”

Even I proved to her here that:

According to a survey in 2003 by the Belgrade Centre for Studying Alternatives, a think-tank specialising in tracking public opinion, anti-Semitism was more widespread in Serbia than many once thought. Nine per cent of respondents openly declared themselves as anti-Semites, while another 31 per cent said they were undecided, the survey said.

And as for WW2 Jewish question I pointed her to truth here she still think her lies will become truth. But looks like she is the only Jew who denies Facts about Serbian-Jewish Friendship, but maybe this guys here will show her what she can see Only in Serbia Julia, Only in Serbia

In August 1942, Dr. Harald Turner (the chief of the German civil administration in Serbia) announced that Serbia was the only country in which the "Jewish question" was solved and that Belgrade was the "first city of a New Europe to be Judenfrei." Turner himself attributed this success to Serbian help. The fight against the Jewish influence had actually started six months before the German invasion when the government of Serbia issued legislation restricting Jewish participation in the economy and university enrollment.

Julia Gorin is becoming true synonym for Juda, a traitor to her own religion!

Do Jews kill Christian children ?

"Jews kill Christian children in order to knead bread with their blood."

"In the past five years over a hundred anti-Semitic books have been published in Serbia," said Aca Singer. Some of the latest are ‘The Serbs In The Claws Of The Jew’ and ‘Jewish Ritual Murder’. The IHTUS web site features copious amounts of anti-Semitic literature and calumnies. An article entitled "Ritual Murder among Jews" repeats all the old medieval libels against Jews as killers of innocent Christians. "When a ritual murder is carried out for [the Jewish feast of] Purim,” it says, “then the victim is usually a grown-up Christian. “This blood is then dried and mixed with baking powder to make triangular cakes…. It is possible to use the dried blood left over from the murder at Purim for the upcoming Passover festival."

The IHTUS publishing house is a privately-owned company, whose headquarters are in Zabalj in Vojvodina, the northern province of Serbia.

Publisher in chief Ratibor Djurdjevic was a member of a right-wing, pre-Second World War organisation named Dimitrije Ljotic. After emigrating to the US, Djurdjevic returned to Serbia in 1990. Djurdjevic receives support from Zarko Gavrilovicn a retired priest from the SPC (Serbian Othodox Church). Djurdjevic wrote, translated and published books such as: The Elders of Zion; 3000 Years in the Service of the Satan; The Myth about the Holocaust; Judeo-Bankers and the Rise of Hitler and The Human Victim in Judaism. These books can be purchased cheaply in Belgrade, in fact, one of the bookshops specializing in such literature is located in the center, beside the Museum of Genocide. Djurdjevic expounds his views on the website, claiming his books are important for Serbs and Christians because they disclose information about "the powerful, but unrecognised rulers of the world – Jewish bankers. They are the most important collaborators of Satan in his evil enterprise against Jesus Christ." He adds that these unnamed Jewish bankers have brought much evil to the Serbs, having "started the war against the Serbs; provided assistance to the disintegrating forces in Yugoslavia; set Bosnia on fire; imposed a cruel embargo on Serbia and Montenegro; armed the Croats and Muslims... [and] demonised Serbs all over the world".

The Serbs are an obstacle to the forces of Jewish conquest in the Balkans, he argues. Djurdjevic's site promises future publications in a similar vein. Anti-Semitism in Serbia is not limited to discussions on foreign-registered websites and slogans painted anonymously on walls, however. It reaches young people through organisations such as Obraz, which target students and other young people with their hardline nationalist message.

Obraz, which means “Honour” is a right-wing movement preaching allegiance to the Serbian Orthodox Church and to Serbdom in general and encouraging passionate hostility to a list of what it calls enemies of the nation and the church. Mladen Obradovic, president of Obraz, told IWPR that Obraz’s core values were love of God and good will to people, regardless of where they come from. But their website tells a different story. A mission statement on the site contains a strongly-worded "Proclamation to the Enemies of Obraz", who are defined as "Zionists, converts to Islam, Ustashe [Croat fascists], democrats, false pacifists, perverts, criminals and drug addicts".

The above groups "shall be justly punished, because they should not be allowed to ruin the health of Serbian youth", the proclamation adds menacingly.

Obradovic was more nuanced in describing Obraz’s stance on Jews to IWPR.

“Because we are Christians, we cannot and do not want to hide the truth that many Euro-Atlantic powerful people of Jewish origin have revealed themselves as open enemies of the Serbian people,” he said.

According to a survey in 2003 by the Belgrade Centre for Studying Alternatives, a think-tank specialising in tracking public opinion, anti-Semitism was more widespread in Serbia than many once thought. Nine per cent of respondents openly declared themselves as anti-Semites, while another 31 per cent said they were undecided, the survey said.Many people on the street seem confused in their understanding of history and ready to blame Jews for their country’s recent setbacks.

One taxi driver told IWPR that “Hitler was Jewish and the fact that they [the Nazis] killed millions of their own people is evidence of how bad they are”.

He said Jews were responsible for the destruction of Yugoslavia because “Tito was Jewish”. He added, “The Jews wanted to destroy Yugoslavia for their own economic interests”.

Another woman interviewed on the street said Jews exaggerated the dangers of anti-Semitism for their own benefit. “Jews use anti-Semitism on purpose to gain privileges for themselves,” she said.

“Anti-Semites are people who feel unfulfilled, so they often identify strongly with their own race,” he said. “These people suffer from inferiority complexes and seek an identity in the collective, embracing extremist theories in the process.”

Another reader comment on poison posts by Julia Gorin

The continued references to Kosovo's government being 'Islamic' or 'Muslim' in nature are pure ignorance. Kosovo has been a secular society for nearly a century- in fact, more secular than the U.S.A. is today. Most Kosovars under the age of 50 today have never seen the inside of a mosque and know nothing of Muslim teaching and faith. They are in fact bewildered by these characterizations from western reporters and politicians.

Over the years, and in this report, there has been mention of al Qaeda ties to Kosovo. There is also the belief that the KLA were Islamic fundamentalists. Islamic Jihad. Where is the proof or even substantive evidence for either accusation? There is none.

As someone who travels to Kosovo frequently I wonder how and where the reporters who report such an image get their information or if they ever even leave their hotels. The politicians who visit obviously see only what confirms the opinions they arrived with.

The propaganda portrayed here regarding Albanian society, an Islamic government and violent connections with terrorists serves only to heat up the region for another war. Serb military and paramilitary forces committed brutalities against Albanians, which rival the most gruesome of the last century. The documentation is irrefutable. The Serbs still deny this, and reports like this are a de-facto sympathy for the Serb position.

As to an Albanian urinating on a church, I am disgusted at the display of disrespect. Revenge is on the minds of many Albanians. Albanians did their share of ugly retaliation. They all lived through a decade of martial law, massacres and a brutal war. People don't just get over this.

But a large majority has tried to put it behind them and is building institutions in their society to ensure a peaceful and productive future. I can provide many examples of this.

Reports like this which simply turn a blind eye to the big picture and give sympathy to one side serve only the purpose of continuing the cycle of hate and, as I said earlier, increase the possibilities for renewed war.

And another comment from US soldier :

This article is another attempt by Serbia to fool the world into believing that Kosova is an Islamic state similar to Iraq or Iran. Luckily, most intelligence people, including military people such as I, who have served in Kosova, recognize the Serbian propaganda for the pure hateful junk that it is. Serbia knows it has lost Kosova and is making a dying attempt to reverse time.

Nuke the Muslims yells Julia Gorin

Again Julia Gorin calls for extermination of Muslims all over the world, and she count the 1.5 billion this time. I her latest blog post he crusade on President Bush who addressed that he will make special envoy who will try to improve image of USA in over 50 Muslim countries all over the world. Still Julia think it is stupid idea and sarcastically comment that idea :

That’s right: WE need to improve OUR image in Muslim eyes.

No Julia we need to kill 1.5 billion people to make you happy ! Julia needs to make another Holocaust but this time over Muslim people so that she finally can identify with victims or honest and law obeying citizens. Can someone at least explain me how is this different from Hitler ideas about Jewish people ?

She even dare to ask "Are there still too many Muslims who support Israel?" like Israel didn't occupied Palestinian and attacked neighboring countries.

I also really wonder who accepted Julia Gorin in USA and who give her citizenship because she don't know nothing about great American history and democracy so here is short introduction:

Abraham Lincoln:

Am I not destroying my enemies when I make friends of them?

George Washington:

There is nothing so likely to produce peace as to be well prepared to meet the enemy.

Since I personally also doubt she is Jewish, or maybe he switch religions as suits her here is also two short Jewish quotes:

Jewish proverb:

Listen to your enemy, for God is talking.

Moshe Dayan:

If you want to make peace, you don't talk to your friends. You talk to your enemies.

From our readers

Many of our readers are contacting me and support our struggle against lies which Julia Gorin is publishing on her websites, latest mail address to her statements is from Mr. Michael Dugandzic:

Zionist Extremist Ms. Julia Gorin’s Religious Hate against Jews...

Dear Ms. Gorin,

I quote you “Lady Sinjska: a protective Slavic goddess.” is just another example of your Zionist hate misinterpreting lies as the truth, Gospa Sinjska correctly translated is “Our Lady of Sinj” which refers to the mother of Jesus Christ a Jew she is neither Slavic nor a Goddess… Your conservative comedy has now moved from insulting Gentiles to insulting Jews, where is the end to your madness?

Kind Regards,

Mr. Michael Dugandzic

Is Julia Gorin communist ?

While Julia Gorin cry over Albanian blog poster on Huffington Post who seems cannot forget communist regime under Enver Hoxha, tyrant who declared Albania"the world's first atheist country,".

Erion Veliaj is acting just like Mr. Kokalari who used to write letters to the Congress and other representatives inviting Citibank and other big investors "not to go in Albania because it's communist"... so now you're basically saying "don't go to invest there at all becouse we have Chavez". Thus the end result is that you, the so called "Albanian-Americans" patriots don't do anything about the wellbeing of the country.

While Erion Veliaj cry because there are no McDonalds or ClubMeds in Albania, Julia Gorin use proven method to comment his post. She use quotes from comments of that post but funny she use only partial quotes to avoid viewing the whole meaning of comment. So her firsts quote is:

Dude, you must be paid a pretty penny by the Serbs,or Greeks to talk like that about Albania, its political past and future under Sali Berisha or any other Albanian leader. You should be ashamed calling yourself Albanian…

But that same user continues:

in a time when most of the EU countries and USA are trying their best to help the Albanian Cause, it's people like you that damage the immage of all good that is done during these transition period in our country. Nobody is perfect , but than what would you expect from a country that has no history in democracy, and its leaders were ex-communists until few years back. Do you think that they could become angels overnight. Look around the neighboring countries,in Greece they abuse the Albanian emigrant on daily basis, in Macedonia the Albanians had to pick up arms to defend their existence, and you know well what happened in Kosova. Now it is time for being united as ever before like George Kastrioti did 5 centuries ago, not the time to bicker about little problems that should be overshadowed in the big picture. But people like you, surely paid by the UDB, or other secret service police couldn't stay in place but have to spill venom like a snake. I say to you-- god bless and maybe one day you will understand how wrong you were, but I think that will happen when they stop paying you and your name will be posted like an informer on our newspapers.

After that Julia in her almighty godly powers bring protection by saying:

May God protect Erion Veliaj as his group does its important work.

I'm not sure which god Julia, because you obviously lost compass and even you don't know which god you are prying. For sure it is not Jewish god because you protect Serbian crimes over Jews , and antisemitism in Serbia today as I show you in this post here and here. If is it God of orthodox church read this to see what is expected from you. But I think you are unbeliever a simple small, pity communist from Odessa, USSR where your hearth belong.

At the end of mentioned blog post again Julia use only sentence what Erion Veliaj commented but again she forget to put whole answer. Why is that? Yes because Erion is mention Serbs and Greeks oppression and tyrant's. Here is complete quote:

I can't comment on UDB, communist, serbs, greeks and all that nonesense - the unfortunate thing about many of us Albanians is that we're too busy fighting with ghosts. Because, if you Mjolti truly cared about Greek violence, you should have joined one of the MJAFT protests in Tirana, Fier, London about the incident - or better even organize a protest yourself wherever you live, or call your congressman, or call to the Helsinki Committee in Congress. (where MJAFT has testified against another appalling premier named Fatos Nano). Now, this would be patriotic wouldn't it Mjolti? And yes Valerie, i too can't wait to be Mjaft-ed out, as I feel rather exhausted fighting it out with a few committed colleagues who left their cozy NY apartments to deal with the Berisha's and Nano's of Albania. But that would mean that, you Valerie, and others who disagree, actually DO return to Albania, and bring your better and brighter ideas, to not only boot us out, but most importantly to work on the ground so that fundamental rights are respected and concrete progress is achieved - only then will you have a good story to sell for Albania. And then, you may realize that shooting the messenger and cyber-nationalism may not quite be the most effective ways to generate change.
Last, my email erionveliaj@mjaft.org may be a better way to redirect hate speech and paranoia. This way we spare western readers from more nasty 'image of albania' rhetoric, where folks are vilified for standing up for any principle.
Cheers,
Erion Veliaj

However, Mr Veliaj or anybody else like you or who may encourage you to write like this can not divert the real talk, the real issue, the most important issue, the imminent need for United Nations Security Council to adopt a new resolution on Kosova, based on Ahtisari recommendations and give Kosova, its so much deserved, and long waited: Freedom and Independence.

Kosova and Albania and Albanians in the Balkan and everywhere in the world, unlike some of their neighbours, Serbia, Greece, or Russia, will always support, be with and for America and Britain for many generations to come.